Monday, November 8, 2010

What about Vlad, and other Yankee DH possibilities


With yet another long-coveted (by me) hitter hitting the free agent market, I'd be remiss if I didn't at least broach the idea of the Yankees signing Vladimir Guerrero -- who recently had his $9M 2011 option rightly declined by the Rangers -- to be their DH, assuming the Yankees pass on my boy Adam Dunn. I know Mike Axisa threw cold water all over this idea the other day, but I think it merits further exploration. Vlad may have gone ice cold in the second half and postseason after a lightning-hot start, but there may still be some life left in that bat.

While I imagine the Rangers will try to re-sign him at a discount, it remains to be seen whether Vlad will have Johnny Damon/Hideki Matsui-itis and not be able to swallow his pride and return to his team at a lesser pay grade. At the very least it seems like it'd be worth seeing what it might take to get Vlad on a one-year deal. If it's around the $6.5 million it cost last year, that may be a gamble worth taking.

Though Vlad's numbers took a hit in the second half, a .360 wOBA overall is nothing to sneeze at. At 2.6 fWAR he was the third-most valuable DH in the game, putting up a season worth $10.3 million, and the two players ahead of him (David Ortiz and Luke Scott) are unavailable. Unsurprisingly Guerrero was better at home (.375 wOBA) than away, but his .344 road wOBA still would've been fourth-best among the Yankees' everyday lineup last season (after Robinson Cano, Nick Swisher and Brett Gardner). The other day we touched on the fact that Yankee Stadium was the most hitter-friendly park in the AL last season (.783 OPS), and despite the fact that The Ballpark in Arlington has for years held a reputation as an extreme hitters' park, it only had the 7th-highest OPS (.751) in the American League. Given the way the Yankees mash at home compared to the road, perhaps Vlad's line would see a boost if he got to play 81 home games at Yankee Stadium, though he does sport a relatively pedestrian .765 OPS in 33 games at old Yankee Stadium (in case you were wondering, he has an .872 OPS in four games at YS3, not including the postseason, in which he has 10 hits in 28 at-bats over six games in the 2009 and 2010 ALCSes).

To play devil's advocate, Vlad ain't getting any younger, and the second-half decline -- along with seemingly annual injury concerns -- could be a bad omen for the future. Additionally, given my love of OBP and walking, I could see myself potentially tearing my hair out during Vlad at-bat after Vlad at-bat in which he swings at everything including the kitchen sink. Still, that .394 career wOBA combined with missing out on Vlad back in 2004 when The Boss inanely insisted on signing Gary Sheffield instead are enough to keep me mildly interested in Vlad as a Yankee if the price was right.

If the Yankees pass on Dunn as expected, and aren't interested in Vlad, there are a handful of other potential sluggers in this offseason's free agent class that could make some sense.

Yankee fans are well aware of Russell Branyan's ability to absolutely pummel the baseball (when he actually gets his bat on it), and he clubbed a fairly under-the-radar 25 bombs while posting a respectable .350 wOBA in 2010. Unfortunately Branyan doesn't get on base enough (.323 OBP in 2010) to be as dynamic a DH as you'd like to see on the Yankees (not to mention the fact that he strikes out a ton) but perhaps being in a patient lineup like the Bombers' would help him in the OBP department. Branyan also seems to like New Yankee Stadium quite a bit, with a .261/.314/.717 line in 12 career games (though a meager .661 OPS in 15 games at old YS).

Carlos Pena picked a pretty terrible time to have the worst season of his career, though I suppose it's somewhat impressive that he was still able to wOBA close to league average (.326) despite batting under .200 in a whopping 582 plate appearances. Regardless, his 2010 line of .196/.325/.407 is pretty wretched, and it's a credit to the Rays that they were still able to play to the best record in the AL despite losing almost .050 points of wOBA from their primary power hitter. After a monster 2007 (.430 wOBA) and a very good 2008 and 2009 (matching .374 wOBAs), I suppose it's possible that Pena magically reverted back to 2006 form that resulted in him rather incredibly serving time in both the Yankees and Red Sox farm systems -- exercising a clause in his contract to become a free agent after four months at Columbus, and playing 11 games with Pawtucket and 18 games in the Bigs in September 2006 before becoming a free agent again at season's end -- with neither team apparently seeing enough to want to keep him around, but it seems more likely that 2010 was just a really down year.

Indeed, though Pena's never had a particularly high BABIP (.279 career), in 2010 his was the second-worst in all of baseball. Although Jose Bautista somehow had the third-worst mark, so maybe Pena's struggles can't be excused away by an abnormally low BABIP. Regardless, I wouldn't have a problem with the Yankees taking a chance on a lefty with a career .360 wOBA on a one-year, $4 million deal, considering Fangraphs had his 2010 worth $4.1 million. For a guy who's averaged 36 home runs a year over the last four seasons, Pena seems like a pretty good bet to potentially club 40 as a lefthander in Yankee Stadium (in 14 career games at YS3, he's hit six home runs and put up a .250/.327/.667 line).

Back in August I wondered if the Yankees might look at Paul Konerko, who finished out his career year with the fourth-best wOBA in the AL (.415), but will likely be too expensive, considering other teams will want to use him at first base. For the record, Konerko's been utterly beastly in the Bronx, with a .348/.399/.601 line in 37 games at old Yankee Stadium, and a 1.150 OPS in six games at new YS. Jim Thome's another aging slugger who put up one of the best seasons of his illustrious career in 2010 (.437 wOBA), and if he's available on a one-year deal could make a lot of sense taking aim at the short porch in right (11 home runs and an .803 OPS in 59 career games at old YS).

The remainder of the potential DH market is pretty unappetizing, with Adam LaRoche (.261/.320/.468; .339 wOBA) and Lyle Overbay (.243/.329/.433; .332 wOBA) representing less-than-appealing though likely much cheaper options. While both have some pop, neither really get on base enough (though Overbay does sport a .358 career mark) to be a full-time Yankee DH.

Of course, it's also possible the Yanks decide to give Marcus Thames another go, though there's almost no way he'll be as productive as he was in 2010 (.354 wOBA vs. lefties and a highly unexpected .382 against righties). With Lance Berkman apparently not reuniting with Houston as everyone expected him to, he could also be a useful piece were he willing to come back at a significantly reduced salary. Although while I seemed to be one of the few Yankee fans who liked what Puma brought to the table, it would really have to be at a near-bargain basement price given that Berkman can't really hit lefties anymore (a horrendous .236 wOBA; though he can still rip righties up, with a .372 mark) and also lost nearly 100 points of SLG this past season.

15 comments:

  1. I really don't want anything to do with Vlad. If we're going that route, I'd rather just save the money and split the DH at bats between Posada, A-Rod, and Montero. Not that I think it's as crazy as Axisa does, I'm just not sure it'll be worth it ultimately, or that he's dependable enough.

    Also, Bautista's BABiP is kind of an aberration due to HR's not counting in the stat.

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  2. I'm inclined to agree. I don't really want Vlad either, but given that DH is really the only semi-open slot on the team right now -- unless you think the Yankees will trade one of their outfielders, which I don't see happening -- it's fun to speculate.

    Good point on the Bautista BABIP, though it's still pretty crazy to see a guy with a top 5 AL wOBA post such a low number. The next-lowest among wOBA leaders is Tex, who had a .268 BABIP.

    Bautista really was all home runs (and walks) this year. My kind of player.

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  3. i thought Vlad was out best option last off season, but this yr, I'm all about internal candidates. i still can't understand how someone could have a choice between Nick Johnson and Vlad and pick Johnson... but i suppose he was cheaper and was a better fit in the 2 hole, where a bat was needed at the time.

    I think the Yankees should start the season with a DH rotation of Posada, A-Rod, Thames and Montero. if the need presents itself, I think the Yankees can grab somebody at the deadline - but i think the Yankees will find that they'll need that DH spot to keep A-Rod and Posada's bats in the lineup.

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  4. I can't quite put my finger on exactly why, but for some reason I hate the idea of Posada as DH. Maybe it's because he really sputtered to the finish line this season, with a .277 September wOBA, not to mention a .290 postseason wOBA.

    Of course, I was also adamantly against Hideki Matsui as DH heading into 2009, proclaiming him beyond washed up, and he certainly proved me way wrong with his monster .378 wOBA season, so perhaps Jorge can do the same.

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  5. it's a tough one - and i don't think Posada has good numbers as a DH, but the guy just can't catch anymore. four out of five days behind the plate just isn't reality; its probably more like 3 out of 5 days, at best. i do think Posada is still a better bat than a glove, and i think we can all agree - so his best value to the team is probably as a DH.

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  6. You guys do realize that Cashman has already told Posada that he will be the primary DH next year right? This means that he will probably DH around 100 games next year if not more. Add in half days off for players, especially Arod and Jeter, and you really wont need another DH except for around 20-40 games. Which means a guy like what Marcus Thames was last year. A part time DH. So you can forget about anything close to a big name. Not going to happen. This post becomes worthless.

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  7. To go a little further...the Yankees plan on having Montero/Romine/Free Agent catch over 100 games next year, with Cervelli filling in to backup.

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  8. The Yanks wasted a lot of time, money & roster spots in 2010 bringing in"B" & "C" players, ie; Randy Winn, MASH Unit Johnson and a few others. They should've gotten Lackey + an outfield hitter for not much more total dollars. Here's this season's FA "Wish List": Pickup Willie Aybar, versatile at the plate & in the field, still young & inexpensive. Lee is pretty much a "must." Put Crawford in CF, Granderson in LF & Gardner on the bench as a PR. Sign V-Mart to catch, trade Joba & Montero to Rays for Zobrist & Neimann, sign FA Balfour and/or Benoint, get Pettitte & Wood back.

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  9. Hi Anon,

    Considering we write about about the Yankees multiple times a day, every day of the week, obviously we know that Cash reportedly told Jorge that he'll be the primary DH.

    Regardless, this is the offseason, and given that we have massive amounts of time to kill until baseball starts up again, we're just having a little fun with speculation and rumormongering.

    I don't expect the Yankees will actually go out and get any of these guys, but given that they have no other openings, I thought it'd be interesting to take a look at what's on the market.

    And who knows, given the glut of DH types on the market this offseason, it's not impossible that one of these guys decides they don't necessarily have to play every day and falls into Cash's hands as a part-time DH/bench piece in a reasonable deal come January/February.

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  10. Oh, and while I realize that folks coming here from MLBTR are probably going to assume this was posted today since the MLBTR link came today, Yankeeist co-author Mike reminded me that we published this piece on Monday; two days before the news that Jorge was going to be the DH was officially announced.

    That being said; I still likely would've speculated on Yankee DH possibilities anyway, between this being the offseason and the fact that, as I noted in the comment above that I left this past Monday, November 8 at 5:18pm, I'm not exactly sold on the idea of Posada as DH.

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  11. They need that DH spot open for the team they already have. Posada is already probably taking the majority of the DH time, but if he were to be the starting catcher he would still need at least 2 days at DH a week. A-rod needs one as well. And then between Jeter, Tex, and probably swish all needing random breaks where you dont want to loose their bat you are looking at a minimum of 4 days a week that the DH spot is filled. hireing Vlad for 6+ million to play twice a week and have no defensive ability makes no sense at all. he is a great hitter but at this point it is unnecessary!

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  12. Hey, LK...thanks for the'momback..It is fun to speculate, EZ to make player moves, and even easier to spend someone else's do re mi. However, there will be some open spots, ie Birkman,Kearns, Thames + whoever. Thus, room for some nice additions to protect the huge $ spent in last yrs'.FA mkt & set us up for real strong WS runs over the next3-5 yrs. Posada's bat may be slowing down, so I'm not sold on him as DH either. We'll know by 6/2011. Let's hope Yanks open the checkbook at least for Lee & Crawford & trade for better parts (Aybar/Zobrist etc). Let us all enjoy the avalanche of FA & trade rumor palaver..It's the thrill of the hunt that captures us all.

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  13. Too bad we're stuck with Posada as our DH (they never should have gone 4yrs)... I would have liked to see what Dunn could do with that short porch. 60 might not be a stretch !

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  14. Posada is the DH 4 out of 5 days, catches the other maybe. Arod, Tex, Jete, Swish, Gardner, Cano, Grandy, alternate the other days to stay fresh. Sign Lee, re-sign Wood, MO, & Petite and get a 2nd lefty reliever to help Logan

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  15. Anon1 here..A "both sides win trade" with TBRays: They get Chamberlain(they need a closer with Soriano's exit,) Montero(they need a young cheap bat at 1st.,) Cervelli(they need a young, cheap catcher w/upside,& we bring up Romine)and IF Pena. We get Zobrist(sw.htr,taking Kearns spot,)IF Sean Rodriguez,(quick bat/great field as Jeter/Arod sub, takes Pena's spot,)& Jeremy Hellickson (young & ready to start in mlb.) That'll leave the checkbook for Lee,Crawford(Gardner's gotta sit,) maybe even V-Mart as he & Lee were team mates in Cleveland..Sign Willy Aybar (Thames spot.)Pipe dream? Maybe..possibility, maybe. Then work on what JB said about pitching.

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